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Yanman.be · Oct 08, 2006, 12:46 PM // 12:46

If you do not use a PvP char to learn with, how the HELL will you ever be good at pvp? To become good at pvp, you should not only learn your profession, but also the other ones. If they ask me, role a tainted warder, I do it, just as good as I can choke'm in gas ( monking not included ).

Do not just play warrior. Taste every profession. Otherwise, you're not better than the mending whammo's out there, and you'll never will be.

Darl · Oct 08, 2006, 02:40 PM // 14:40

The ideal is to lern the basics of one class early on thought, else it might get a bit overwhelming. Once you feel comfortable with the warrior (or HA), start to experiment a bit more. Dont wait until your rank 8 with it thought.

Blame the Monks · Oct 08, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

In my opinion, focusing on gear and build is starting off on the wrong foot. Although your gear and skills are not optimal, they are not horrible either. Upgrading to a 15>50 won't magically make your problems go away. Instead, I would focus on improving your individual skill level.

Can you identify and disrupt key aspects of the other team's offense? Do you have a tactical goal in mind with each action? Can you effectively take the steps needed to reach your goals? Seek out active people who play on a similar or slightly higher level than you do and who are willing to practice and discuss how to get better. Read guides, watch matches, and always be focused on what you need to do to maximize your chances of winning. Spend as much time as possible just playing the game -- there is no substitute for experience.

And above all, be patient. Most PvPers have well over 1,000 hours of practice at this moment. You can't expect to match that overnight, but with consistent work and improvement you can and will earn wins.

TheOneMephisto · Oct 08, 2006, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

In my opinion, focusing on gear and build is starting off on the wrong foot. Although your gear and skills are not optimal, they are not horrible either. Upgrading to a 15>50 won't magically make your problems go away. Instead, I would focus on improving your individual skill level.

Can you identify and disrupt key aspects of the other team's offense? Do you have a tactical goal in mind with each action? Can you effectively take the steps needed to reach your goals? Seek out active people who play on a similar or slightly higher level than you do and who are willing to practice and discuss how to get better. Read guides, watch matches, and always be focused on what you need to do to maximize your chances of winning. Spend as much time as possible just playing the game -- there is no substitute for experience.

And above all, be patient. Most PvPers have well over 1,000 hours of practice at this moment. You can't expect to match that overnight, but with consistent work and improvement you can and will earn wins.

Well, having sub-par equipment can't help. There's no reason at all that you should be using sub-par stuff when you can make a PvP character.

Lawnmower · Oct 08, 2006, 04:37 PM // 16:37

I really don't feel confident in pursuing this anymore...

I don't know how many matches I have seen in the observer mode. Im still just as clueless. I don't know what any of does skills do. I can't even see what the skills are called that they are using. I cant see their builds or get inspiration from it.

I don't know / Can't farm...

And I just don't feel like playing a pvp character as they are limited to ugly armors and weapons. seems wrong to spent so many hours on a character that is restricted to pvp areas.

I don't wanna pvp anymore. Im just gonna quit. Counter-Strike and WoW has a learning curve. This is just insane. Using over 1,000 hours just to understand the mechanics? by that time chapter 4,5 6 will have been released!
Also I have lost faith in that I can find any good guild. All of the good ones seem to be made out of people who requires other people to have rank 4 or have a deadly gladiator title.

Thanks for the replies though!

Im just sad that it is first now I realise that pvp in this game is not for me...

Dark Luke · Oct 08, 2006, 04:49 PM // 16:49

I think your gear is fine. If you want to have fun, get Factions campaign and play some alliance battles.

One big con of a PVP character is that you can't switch armor sets while playing...

moriz · Oct 09, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

the general rule of using PvE chars in PvP:

unless you have 200 platinums to blow on properly equiping it (yes, it really does take that much money), use a PvP char. trust me, they are much easier to equip.

and no, the game does not need 1000 hours to properly learn. it's kinda like learning to play a musical instrument. play 15 minutes a day and you'll be dramatically better a month later.

dgb · Oct 09, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Way to ignore the advice here. Someone has allready suggested XoO.

Watch observer mode. Don't come in and say you have but you couldn't see what skills people are using, you plainly can.

You're honestly not going to get far if you come in expecting it all to be handed to you. Most guilds won't take you, that's true. You accept that you're new - a guild that is dedicated to winning doesn't necessarily want people holding them back. Aside from that you will find that a lot of competitive guilds also have people who are still learning, they're friends of allready existing members.

Run a PVP character. If you can't handle looking ugly then get ready to farm 200+ platinum.

Don't complain about the community, the community will support someone who tries to develop in PVP by making their own efforts, but you're not going to get there expecting everything to be done for you without your own sacrifices.

Abdul · Oct 09, 2006, 03:48 AM // 03:48

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Using over 1,000 hours just to understand the mechanics?

While GW is a deep game, and you might still be learning new tricks 1000 hours in, the basics can be picked up very early. Head to the Isle of Balthazar, talk to the npcs to learn the basics. Duel the masters on the isle, your warrior may not be able to beat some of them, so try a different class or build, this will give you some experience in knowing what to use to counter different builds.

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But seriously. Most of the time. 90% of the time RA is a mess.

This is true, don't bother with RA imo. If you have Factions, play in Fort Aspenwood, Jade Quarry or Alliance Battles, they are less punishing places to play in than RA, and you are more likely to get a balanced group.

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I don't know how many matches I have seen in the observer mode. Im still just as clueless. I don't know what any of does skills do. I can't even see what the skills are called that they are using. I cant see their builds or get inspiration from it.

You probably won't understand a whole lot of what is going on in observer mode, until you've played in some GvGs. Until then, just pay attention to the skills being used. Turn off auto-camera, and click on the player you want to observe. You will see what they are using in the skill monitor. Look it up on www.guildwiki.org if you haven't seen it before. If you really can't see the skill names, you might have it turned off in config.

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And I just don't feel like playing a pvp character as they are limited to ugly armors and weapons. seems wrong to spent so many hours on a character that is restricted to pvp areas.

If you are honestly interested in PvP, this is the wrong mindset to go in with. Are you more interested in competing against others or playing dress up? Playing with the premades is the best way to get into the PvP game, no begging for gear required.

warriorsmiley · Oct 09, 2006, 06:57 AM // 06:57

I was like you when i first started pvp I couldnt stand not being able to use my warrior for it. You know what tho me rolling many pvp warriors helped me learn to play warrior overall. It doesnt matter how you look or if your weapon is glowing as long as the stats on it are maxed out there is nothing to worry about. Now as soon as I got the money to make my warrior suitable for pvp which was about 400k+ later it was well worth it. Only time I used a pvp warrior was when I didnt have a secondary skill or elite I needed to use. There is nothing I find more funny then another player in FOW armor running useless skills and having no idea how to use those useless skills either, then they turn around and blame the loss on you when the FOW armor didnt magically kill the other team completely like they thought it should.

Greedy Gus · Oct 09, 2006, 07:01 AM // 07:01

Who isn't frustrated with PvP right now? The metagame is shit and most top guilds aren't even playing on their main (or at all). At least tombs is pretty fun again.

martialis · Oct 09, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27

People are being very silly. Your gear is fine. Totally fine.

You could improve the sword a bit with a vampiric or crippling mod or something, since sundering really doesn't do anything, and the same for the pommel. NONE of your gear needs to be perfect, except maybe your armour (and that's debatable). Most people put the swordsmanship rune on their helm, so they can have 3 helms, with +4 sword, +4 axe, and +4 hammer, so you might want to buy those. And of course stoneskin gauntlets are nice.

Buying perfect versions of what you have now, in all the varieties you could ever want, will cost 500k-something, but otherwise, 5k is enough.

The first thing I noticed is that you have 74 skill points at 500k experience. :-)
Have you finished prophecies? If you haven't done that, that's very important. There are some nice skills that you can't get until the end of the PvE game. I would start with that. Does your warrior have shock? You could look at some of the popular warrior skills, buy them and try making a build around them. You can find the location of all the elite skills on guildwiki.org, and you should probably get all of them.

Joining high-level PvP takes a lot of work, and a lot of knowledge (so I hear). You could start by making a necro or mesmer in PvE and playing them for a while to learn what all the skills do.

Cirian · Oct 09, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

I thought your gear looked fine too

Not fully comprehansive, but good enough to play in to start with. You can worry about the extras as you find you want to incorporate them.

Anyway, the number one thing like has been suggested would be to join a large open guild like XoO or Amazon Basin to start your GvG with. I have no experience of XoO, but AB do entry level GvG (I've not tried it yet but it's only a matter of time before I get sucked in by my own curiosity